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How to describe ID to a provider that has never heard of it?

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    William Brady, DC

      If you were talking to a friend/colleague about Integrative Diagnosis what two positive things would you tell them? What’s one negative thing you would tell them?



      Carl Nottoli, DC

        3 (it’s hard to limit myself to 2) positives:

        1. It helps give you answers to all of the most frustrating cases you’ll see in practice.
        2. The reward of seeing people get better that have failed everywhere else is amazing.
        3. You have pricing power to get paid what you’re worth.

        One negative:

        You will have to forget a lot of what you already invested time, energy, and money into, and pour everything you got into ID.


        Cody Scharf, DC


          1. Figure out and fix problems no one else can

          2. Unlimited growth and earning potential without relying on insurance


          1. Established practices will have a lot of communicating to do for patients that are used to traditional chiropractic care.


          Seth Schultz, DC

            Two positives:

            1. Mental Clarity: You can confidently and accurately diagnose the entirety of a patients msk problem.

            2. Constant Pursuit: Consistently being around high performers has pushed me to become the best version of myself. That’s something a lot of people search for but never find.

            One negative:

            1. Uncomfortable: You have to embrace uncertainty when learning something completely new and that was slightly unnerving at first. Especially given the fact these diagnostic concepts should have been taught to us in school. Anyone who is uncomfortable being in that situation should look elsewhere.


            Eric Lambert, DC


              1. The ability to bring more focus and clarity to practice, which enables you to be more efficient doing less work. (Example: ART 10 structures, half hour of passes, compared to 5 minutes of MAR on two structures and getting faster better results) knowing where to work and how to fix it matters

              2. Diagnosis “swagger”. More confidence in making the right diagnoses the first time. Faster than most in the musculoskeletal field. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve impressed even the MD’s around me in the past year coming up with the right diagnosis to help the patient.

              Negative: The communication battle… ID is still not well known. So when I tell someone I do ID, I’ve always got to explain it more and if I don’t do a good job they still don’t get it. Starting with a tradition chiropractic practice myself and then transitioning into an ID practice, it’s a big transition and more difficult if you struggle with the communication piece.


              James Phipps

                2 positives

                That you can make a permanent functional change in someone in only 5-10 minutes.
                How complete it is…(history, exam, treatment, communication, etc.) and how you completely eliminate all of the fluff so we can focus on whats important. Before ID I was told you need to have as many tools in your toolbox as possible. So I was overwhelmed with seminars that wasted my time and never translated into results, more patients, and more income. ID changed my life. I found ID in my 7th trimester at that time I was looking into medical schools because nothing made sense to me, that all changed when I watched my first ID video…finally someone actually making sense.

                1 negative

                You hate all other doctors around you and feel bad for all of their patients.


                Christopher Stepien

                  I’m deliberately writing my own before reading everyone else’s.

                  Is this friend/colleague a CHIROPRACTOR or a random person?

                  I assume CHIRO or manual therapist:


                  1. It’s helped me make more money, serving a deep need for my patients, than I ever thought possible.
                  2. I believe, deep in my heart, that I’m better at fixing pain when someone has had it more than 6 months and they’ve seen 3-5 other doctors, than anyone else in NJ.


                  It’s a large financial investment and will take a lot of blood, sweat, and tears. It’s only for people who consider themselves Top Performers or who have a deep purpose to relieve pain.


                  Matthew Ellerbrock

                    1. It creates flow in your workday, increasing your focus and ability to create meaningful change in function in your patients lives (creates purpose)

                    2. You start a case in the drivers seat, able to lead the patient with swagger.

                    Negative: Basically most other DC/PT providers in your area are gonna be hating on you… (if this is a negative). After the patient quits their office not getting better with cupping and dry needling and estim and ART and CMT and cannabis oil and Biofreeze and foam rolling and quitting gluten and wearing special copper clothes…

                    and then you tell them in exact words they understand what is really wrong with them and do more in two visits than the previous provider did in 20, it makes them look like dicks.


                    Maggie Zick


                      1. Having the knowledge and ability to find and fix MSK problems, efficiently, is powerful and rare (and cool). For me, personally, as a LMT being able to problem solve issues that any other typical therapist would deem as “normal” or a “tight muscle” is gratifying beyond explanation.

                      2. Helping people who would normally get lost in a system that just doesn’t work. What we provide is a big deal, it’s important and that never gets old.


                      1. Giving patients a truthful explanation of what their problem is, if your communication ability isn’t top notch, is difficult. It’s not common knowledge or seen as a big deal to get down to the absolute truth behind MSK problems. It’s easier to just say it’s “normal” give an injection and move on. The general population views that as the appropriate process so poor communication skills and lack of ID being well known to the masses, makes it difficult to explain the truth and have it accepted by the patient.


                      Brandon Cohen DC, CSCS

                        Positive 1: I now know what I can fix and what I can’t. Diagnosis is a big deal, and most people get it wrong. I can speak with confidence that patients have exhausted conservative options. (I don’t know how to communicate the dx part, because everybody thinks they diagnose…or know they don’t and don’t care.)

                        Positive 2: Its the most complete thing I have seen. From dx all the way to communication and running a business. You can see people who are doing what you want and others who are doing things that you didn’t even know you wanted.

                        Negative: Its hard. Its a lot of work. It requires investment. Its not for everybody. If you are not willing to get kicked in the balls or face every once in a while (or all the time) you will not become who you want to be, or have the practice you want. The valley of death is real.

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