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May 21, 2019 at 4:19 am #6946
Christopher StepienParticipant57 Y.O. Active, Fit Male
Lx: right mid lateral thigh (points to spot about 8″ long along posterior VL behind ITB – used to go up to greater troch and down to knee, but has gotten smaller and 85% better with acupuncture and rolling out)
Q: pins and needles
I: 5/10
P+: sitting 30 mins –> standing, stretch while standing into hip adduction (stretching lateral side of low back and hip)
P-: getting up in morning out of bed
Dx Hypothesis:
1. L4-L5 Nerve Root Entrapment at Lumbar Spine
Exam:
SLR R – 91 deg, mod post thigh pull
SLR L – 89 deg, mod post thigh pull
SHF R – 96%, no sx, Protective tension in hamstrings
SHF L – 96%, moderate sharp pain 1″ under ASIS
QLF – 1.25″ – 2.75″ ext, flat til 4.5″ – 55% function, no sx
KHE R – 15.5″ – no sx
KHE L – 14″ – mild pull left anterior hip
SLPF – full, no sxOnset: 2 YA – no mechanism
I didn’t bother palpating Lateral femoral cutaneous nerve because it wasn’t provoked by KHE.
This seems like a straight up Degenerative – L4-L5 NR injury.
Want to make sure I’m not missing anything.
May 21, 2019 at 8:02 am #6949
Seth Schultz, DCParticipantIt would still be valuable to palpate lateral femoral cutaneous nerve. The nerve can be stuck distal to the inguinal ligament and in turn not be provoked by KHE. His previous symptom went to the greater trochanter which would tell me the nerve isn’t entrapped to the inguinal ligament or surrounding tissue. Or at least not stuck enough to cause symptoms.
You could also tension that nerve by having him side lying with involved side up, bring him into adduction, and check if that reproduces CC.
May 21, 2019 at 8:05 am #6950
Christopher StepienParticipantTY Seth.
Why can’t it be entrapped to inguinal ligament or surrounding tissue? I found an anatomical picture where there’s a posterior branch coming off it going toward GD?
Will try this test.
May 21, 2019 at 8:19 am #6951
Seth Schultz, DCParticipantThe nerve can be entrapped there but his specific case seems like it’s less likely there and stuck more distal.
May 21, 2019 at 8:49 am #6952
Carl Nottoli, DCParticipantI would palpate the local tissues where he has his CC in a tensioned positioned or while in his provocative position.
Here is some anatomical drawings of the nerve variations.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Types-of-exits-of-the-lateral-femoral-cutaneous-nerve-from-the-pelvis-with-calculated_fig1_301646840May 22, 2019 at 3:18 pm #6974
Christopher StepienParticipantVery helpful Seth and Carl. I checked at inguinal ligament, not entrapped there.
Do you have any images of where it courses under ITB? I can’t find any pictures online or in my anatomy book.
May 23, 2019 at 7:18 am #6975
Carl Nottoli, DCParticipantTry the link I shared in my last post 🙂
May 23, 2019 at 5:31 pm #6990
Christopher StepienParticipantThey only have “inguinal area”, but that’s OK. I’ll work with it.
May 24, 2019 at 7:27 am #6991
Seth Schultz, DCParticipantMay 28, 2019 at 5:38 pm #7034
Christopher StepienParticipantTY Seth!
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